VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 107 (ft. Paul Debevec)
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- Publicado el 24 sep 2023
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Niko and Wren are joined by Computer Graphics Pioneer, Paul Debevec, to break down some of the most influential visual effects in history that his research helped to create.
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00:00 Welcome to VFX Artists React
00:38 Paul's Research
01:39 The Campanile Movie
05:09 The Matrix
07:32 Raycon
08:56 HDRs
10:37 Rendering with Natural Light
13:10 Fiat Lux
15:22 56-Minute Extended Cut
15:37 X-Men
17:44 Image Based Lighting
19:55 Spider-Man 2
21:49 Tomorrow on Corridor Crew
22:05 Thanks For Watching 
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@tufgamingxdr excellent point, tufgamingxdr.
Have you guys seen metropolis?
Hey Crew! I was watching an old fight scene from this absurd John Wayne movie called “McClintock”. They have this massive brawl in the mud and it’s a ton of corny practical effects and fighting that I’d love to see on the next stunt person reacts??
Had Paul Debevec through my work today. Absolute gentleman. Gave us lots of good technical feedback. Listening to him explain equations for light refractions was really illuminating pun intended. Thanks for this vid. Made a great once over to get my team familiar with Paul's work before he visited!
So basically this dude invented modern CGI? As a student? That's insanely impressive lol
He was already revolutionizing the industry as a student. No pressure or anything.
In a way, yes
They should also invite the creator of ugly sonic for being the reason this show existing
Wondering how much he earned for that…
@Hohenheim they actually had that guy on the show. I remember the episode
Damn, I love how this channel truly represents what ESclips should and could be. People who are really good at their craft and want nothing more than to share their joy and insane skills with the world and have fun doing it. Thank you
Yes
Yes
What you don’t like 5 minute life hacks? Lol
This is insane. You not only managed to get the usually behind-the-scenes crew and give them the well-deserved recognition on this show and now you have someone that's basically "behind-the-scene of behind-the-scene." Amazing episode as usual
This man is not a professor of CGI. He's The Professor. He is a freaking Einstein of CGI.
“Freaking”
@Citizen what about it
This dude literally revolutionized filmmaking as a student.... I couldn’t even decide on my major till junior year
The guests Corridor is getting on the couch shows how far they have come, and how respected their work is. The fact these guests are honoured to be invited says more than a certificate on a wall ever could.
They're going to need a new one soon. The backside is running out of room.
Such a legendary guest! Y’all are so rad for this
First
Hey.. it's you.. the guy who does the thing..
@Viv he's not
@Luis Sierra he is.. he does the thing.. youknowhaimsayin
@Viv lol
It's kinda crazy that we are starting to move from engineering to artistry, almost fully. Like in the 90s, you basically had to have an engineering degree to do CGI. But nowadays, you just learn Blender by watching few tutorial series.
Thanks for all the engineers making things possible for the rest!
an academic legend yet hes so humble and explains things so clearly
I'm old, never owned a pc, sent less than 50 emails in my life. I watch this channel as it always leaves my old head in bits. This was the most insightful and explanatory episode yet. This explained the jump in visuals that happened and how. Thank you all, I came for the stunt men and stayed for the CGI. Also, Wrens size vids and camera bits always hit the mark. Love his energy.
You should learn to code, my dude!
I recommend something from the 1980s, those cool home 8bit computers we had like the Commodore 64 or the BBC Micro or even the 8bit Nintendo Entertainment System.
It's really good fun.
@Mostly Penny Cat my G daughter told me that she coded a dragon to breath fire at school. She's 8. I'm scared! 😁🤘
@Rob Ellis That's so cool for your daughter. There is a group called "girls who code" you may want to get her involved in at some point. They have clubs and other programs for girls starting at 3rd grade. Also, I've seen non-coders use AI models like Chat-GPT to walk them through creating something from start to finish - it's pretty astonishing actually.
What an absolute legend. We are so blessed as filmmakers to have academics and experts like Paul actually research and produce such advanced technology like this, just for creative expression.
This guy’s a genius and is largely responsible for modern CGI I’ve never heard of him before. Awesome interview.
Fascinating stuff! These view dependent textures for photogrammetry models feel a bit like how NeRFs are.
So NeRF is like DLSS 3 for view dependent textures?
NURBS!
That's what those things that aren't voxels or polygons are called that I couldn't recall two weeks ago. Thank you.
That's what I was thinking i have no idea how nerfs work but it seemed like what he did was similar to that with stitching images together
@Siresly NURBS are basically a bunch of 3D Bezier curves that form a surface when you average them out (interpolate between them).
Non-Uniform Rational Basis-Spline.
I’d love to see more on the history of matte paintings and how it’s currently utilized in the industry.
This guy should be a regular guest, very articulate and has such a passion for this kind of work. It is amazing how he helped pioneer the world of cgi and special effects.
How amazing is must feel for the corridor crew for these absolute giants of the industry to be so excited about coming on their show!
That X-men shot freaked the shit outta me when I was a kid 😂😂😂 now it’s actually really impressive
It's crazy to me that he didn't really invent one pivotal thing, he pretty much invented all of it. The entire film, gaming, and VFX industry exists as it does today because this one guy felt like it.
And he is just super low key about it... "It's just math."
Industrial Light & Magic, Silicon Graphics Inc, and more companies of the 1980's and 1990's would disagree. This guy stood on the shoulders of giants before becoming a giant himself. If he hadn't invented it, one or more other people would have because at the time CG artists knew the limitations of CGI and new software and techniques were being invented to overcome those limits.
I mean, no, you are making it sound like he invented the VFX industry. It's crazy how people can go from being blissfully unaware of someone's contributions, to blowing said contributions out of proportion. If you want to regard something properly, make the due diligence and take the time to learn the history of VFX.
Why did you feel the urge to somehow spread misinformation and lies about this man and his accomplishments? Why can't you just be happy for him and be grateful for his contributions to the industry? Why do you have to deliberately lie (thus hurt his image)?
Honestly hearing him say "omg that's the couch" and doting in what corridor do for teaching and breaking down shiz it's so cool, from a small team to a big indie powerhouse sharing content and having these experiences with big people behind the scenes of all areas in movies it's so cool. I wonder how jazzed he was to sit and talk.
This is one of my favorite episodes in a long time. I could sit and listen to Paul talk about his work for hours.
Between Paul, Niko and Wren there's absolutely so much brain power on one couch. Amazing episode!
What a heartfelt episode and outro. Love hearing how Niko was inspired by Paul's work and decades later they're sitting down talking about it.
I cant even comprehend the level of intelligence you must have to do everything he has done. Great interview.
12:00 Paul blowing Wren's mind with the most casual "I wrote little equations to make the little twirly things there"
Coding shaders is a nightmare
@Luis Sierra don't think that's a shader though, that's just coding up some geometry for the ray tracer to use. Honestly was probably one of the easier parts compared to the whole research paper 😅
@xxbondsxxbut that's the thing though. The guy operates on such a high level, what he views as trivial just isn't to most. It helps put the level of understanding and expertise into context, because now there's a frame of reference. Creating software that's capable of something that just wasn't possible before is just another Tuesday. Absolutely crazy
soooo cool, love you guys getting guests like this and digging into some real CG lore
i learned so much from this very special episode. thanks guys and yah basically this man made the roadmap.
amazing episode, really loved to see the people behind the tech i'm working with everyday, would love to see more, you guys are incredible
This is amazing. I love listening to him talk. Everyone you’ve had on the couch has had something unique to offer us but he’s truly special. I’m so grateful for this series.
You guys are quickly turning into THE perfect mixture of science, art, and entertainment- and I love you for it!
The joy in Niko's face throughout this is wonderful to see. You can tell he's starstruck and is trying to live in the moment for as long as he can ♥
It's so easy, over time, to see when Niko is actually excited about a guest, and when he's just sort of like, "Yeah, this gets us exposure to pay the bills."
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"Power is given only to those who dare to lower themselves and pick it up. Only one thing matters, one thing; to be able to dare!"
~ Dostoevsky
Amazing. As an architect and a CGI artist, this man is responsible for all the lighting that I have been doing for years. What a legend.
This is easily one of the best episodes I've seen. Thanks to you guys, watching my favourite movies after learning all of this really feels like watching them again for the first time. I absolutely love this channel.
Did NOT expect you guys to open my eyes to something else with the Matrix’s VFX. You guys’ve covered it a few times now and still here I am being actually astounded that I never noticed how well they mapped the background.
Absolutely love these deep dives into the areas the various guests are experts in!
Excited to watch the extended versions later on with all the other dweebs🤓
This is super fun, and a new and interesting way to take this show forward. Im super looking forward to more tech geeking :)
People like him are severely underrated and the average movie goer doesn't appreciate the work that goes into visual effects
Never mind the audience... most *studios* don't understand or appreciate the work that has to go into good VFX.
@vectorwolf and the studios that do know, work their visual fx artists like slaves
Unless they’re bad…
That would be the mark of a true vfx artist though... that nobody ever even noticed...
It might not be appreciated enough but people do recognise bad visual effects. Like many people in daily life, unsung heroes.
This is a GEM of a video! You guys are on fire! Thanks for bringing Paul Debevec on the channel! Please make more videos with him! We need to know a lot more interesting stories from his career and his point of view about CGI!
it's so cool your reputation is growing as well being able to get these super interesting guests! So nice to hear from all perspectives in the background of the industry.
This is a really unique direction to take the series, and I'm glad we're looking more and more at the artists and programmers behind these techniques to see just how much blood and sweat goes into thes things.
If you're talking about tech stuff, Animal Logic has been pretty historic about going overboard with their coding to get some really complicated results for their films, some of which I can't find any record of seeing anywhere else. Fur, feathers, scales, muscle sims, there's a lot to look at there.
This has been BY FAR my favorite VFA react video. Thank you!
This guy's fantastic. Pronounces "miniature" the correct way and everything. I hope the crew are taking notes.
This guy is the definition of down-to-earth considering the stuff that he's done lmao
This episode was incredible. Thanks for this series, corridorcrew. You guys are great!
This section it's getting incredible every new video... It's amazing that you can bring this massive creators and artists here ❤
Thank you for this episode. Im still learning and as a Graphic/Web Designer, but more recently a creative Director, this is the stuff I could watch over and over again. This was a really special episode.
I remember working with the Alias team and 😍watching this when it first came out! I've got chills upon chills. Thank you for bringing this to the couch.🙏 Such a joy!
Saw this on the corridor website. So amazing! Probably the best episode to date, thank you so much Paul for doing this!
I always knew this but this episode really highlights how smart and how much of an craftsman Niko is. The way he is able to converse expertly in both artistic/directorial side of film making as well as the super technical things like in this video is so inspiring.
I agree, although there was one moment when the guest cringed a little when Niko called a method of his "brute forcing", because it really doesn't apply there.
@LongtoothsaberI think's just a lingo thing cus Niko's more of a swe creating art versus a phd research engineer showcasing math via art. Niko may think coding/developing new solutions instead of just implementing an industry solution could come off as brute force / lengthy task / difficult - where it could be second nature for the guest cus his approach for producing art came from a 90's programming and math research background
if that makes any sense lol
@lydonjr No it doesn't. Niko is a great guy, but he is definitely not on the level of a DP or a good director. He is more a of hype man. If you look objectively at Corridors work, has anything caught on as a industry standard? The answer is no. Often they try to reinvent the wheel when the wheel already exist because of innovators before them.
@Eric Hamm Lmao what are you on bro? It totally makes sense. Just because the dude don't have a PhD in computer engineering doesn't mean he can't understand the technical side of things. Everything you said just sounds like unnecessary jabs tbh.
@Ty Doan @EricHamm I wish Niko stop interjecting and let the man speak. We could ask the same question to you, what are you on that makes you think you can dog on people for basically no reason?
You guys make my life so enjoyable. I wait for each episode, such a good content. This man is a Legend! ❤ Thank you so much for what you do.
I love this more specialized episode. Most of us can handle way more technical depth ❤
Would love to see a video with the people behind Zbrush and how they basically changed the modelling pipeline.
This is amazing. I cant believe I got to watch you guys talk about CGi on a couch and now you are having guests of amazing people that made what we know as CGi today.
Amazing video, this is an instant classic. Great job Corridor Crew for making these gems!
There's definitely some behind the scenes stories yet to be told when the faces in Spider-Man 2 in 2004 look better than the faces in The Flash in 2023.
Sadly, a lot of it comes down to CGI not being taken for granted so much yet by studios , which resulted in VFX houses getting more reasonable budgets and deadlines.
Spiderman had living actors. The flash did them from "scratch" so they won't look as good as having actual photographic data.
@Andy Skibba Surely they could've had some, they did the same fully CGI models of Barry's parents and those actors are IN the movie, they didn't have any photographic data for them?
@AbsoluteTravisT I was thinking more about the few that weren't in the movie as main cast (avoiding spoilers for others)
@Andy Skibba Oh well those are their own brand of terrible... it's weird because they don't look the same as the fully CGI models in the timeline bubble, those people you're referring to look like old photographs superimposed. But then Corridor have done videos where that looks better than the movie, so it definitely seems rushed.
Way to go Paul!
Thank you, for coming up with such amazing tools that have empowered creativity among so many medias and genres!
And obviously to the CC Team for such amazing job at documenting and spreading knowledge!
Who knows what the next generation will come up with!!!
Fantastic episode. Amazing what contributions Paul has made to special effects.
This is one of the best vfx react vids ever! As a Berkeley grad this makes me super happy he was able to create 2 of the most fundamental cgi elements as a student!! Then facial reflections with lighting??? Like how?!? Insane guys like this can think about how to create this stuff. So cool
Man, The Matrix was so far ahead of it's time visually. Hard to believe it's closing in on 25 years old now. It still looks exceptional today.
Fascinating! And to think that one person has been responsible for inventing so many of the CG techniques that took the medium from quirky extra to ubiquitous staple is mind-boggling! What a guy! Great video!
I'd like to see you all do a challenge where each person has to do the same shot but limit themselves to a particular era of VFX and can only use technology and techniques from that era to see how each era would tackle the same shot
Definitely sounds like a Wren challenge 😁
That’s such a great idea!
I love listening to smart people who are passionate about what they do. This was a great episode, thanks!
This is one of my favourite episodes ever. More like this, please!
What a wholesome episode.. Paul is literally a living legend, it's so crazy to finally see him on the couch. congrats!
This is an insane episode, please I'm begging you to do more of this kind in the future episodes of this serie
This was an incredible episode! I loved learning about the tech part of VFX!
Definitely loving these more technically "in the weeds" episodes. Great to see people in the top of their field being excited about getting to explain, in great detail, how the thing they made works.
One of your best videos yet. I hope you guys appreciate what amazing teachers you are.
11:09
I actually never thought about how much of a challenge it probably was to actually render see-through reflections like Buzz's helmet.
Makes it all that much more impressive for the time.
I am always happy when I see Wren wearing a shirt from The Stormlight Archive. Well done Radiant!
*The senator in X-men 1 melting into water was mind blowing, even now, the CGI are still top notch especially because the hard work to get the perfect lighting is the reason why this scene does not fall into the uncanny valley* 👍
This was a really enjoyable Episode and Pauls way of explaining Things is Awesome.
I will always apreciate that, no matter how into the disscussion they are, Nico always remembers to explain the tech to the audiance.
Wow, I remember seeing this demo years ago, great to hear the guys have gone onto much bigger and better things!!
I got tears in my eyes for this video. So much learning. So much appreciation. 🙏
This was great! I'd love to learn more about Pixar's development of deep shadow maps.
This shows how insanely math-based all of rendering is…which also explains how people have done renderings on stuff like Demos
I love that this channel teaches me a lot while still being entertaining.
Whoa….this dude is a legend in filmmaking. Hope he has ALL of the awards.
Maybe they should _name_ an award after him.
@D. B. hell yeah!
What a great episode and what a great guest. Well done!
Had Paul Debevec through my work today. Absolute gentleman. Gave us lots of good technical feedback. Listening to him explain equations for light refractions was really illuminating pun intended. Thanks for this vid. Made a great once over to get my team familiar with Paul's work before he visited!
Truly amazing. I'd love to see a deep dive on the tech behind hair sims!
We definitely need more stop motion focused episodes
We all love to laugh at The Scorpion King but this video right here is what you guys do best. Such an incredibly interesting and accessible insight into VFX. Thanks
The caliber of guests you guys get on this channel never ceases to amaze me. What an incredible learning experience. Thank you, Paul, for sharing your stories with us. You're very good at explaining things so that even lay people understand.
Omg I'm so happy to see Spider-Man 2 featured. I hope you guys talk about it more because to this day, that film looks absolutely phenomenal
Amazing!
Thanks Paul for all the work you've done.
I've been a fan for years and used your tools in so many projects. Thank you again.
And thanks corridor crew for bringing Paul.
It's really special to see big brains and artistry combine. Love it.
Creativity is directly connected to intelligence, the core of intelligence (not smartness which is book learning, innate biological intelligence) being the ability to make mental connections, which is exactly what creativity is as well. This guy is a straight up genius of course, basically inventing modern CGI as a student.
I would love to see an episode of VFX Artist React with both the 'old guard' and the new sat on the sofa talking about the differences and changes in the industry! A tie in to the 'recreating old VFX' series that I need in my life!
You can't avoid running into this man if you do anything related to computer graphics. A legend!
I'm curious why people like him and those who work and make significant breakthroughs in the field of visual technology don't receive the Nobel Prize
A technical Oscar atleast.
Nobel Prizes are given by a private organization in a few specific categories: Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, Economics and Peace. There's no prize for mathematics, computer science, history, engineering, visual effects, or a bunch of other things.
Because that’s not really its purpose or one of the fields it looks at lol?
Art and math
@Richard Doan there is also no nobel prize for economics
Nico is SMILING the whole video, so great to see you guys meet a legend that has inspired your work and passion your whole life!
I can't remember the last time I used the term 'pioneer' but Paul truly is. You just know that his brain operates perpetually through the lens of VFX
As a computer science major specializing in game dev VFX and 3D Art technology are super important for me so vids like this are awesome!
I'm currently learning VFX at uni and I understand most of this, but a lot hurts my brain. It's crazy this guy revolutionized and invented all this stuff, truly incredible
Thank you Corridor. keep this up. Being a fan of your react episodes from the start i get to learn more about the thing i love and also love your passion about the craft. Please can you bring some of the best animation technical game changers and invite any one of the people who worked in Anime. Once again Thank you So much.
This for me has been the most educational, and motivational episode of react yet.
This was one of the best episodes yet! What an amazing journey of knowledge, and what an awesome humble guy. Happy to see how far this whole thing has come!
I think it might be cool to hear from the people that make and use miniatures. Buildings, flood scenes and explosions in miniature all come to mind...
This was a dope episode! I like the highly technical ones since everything gets explained so well, I feel like I'm actually learning stuff!
Love this! Seeing the guy that essentially invented modern rendering techniques was a treat! I'd like to see a deep dive into the tech that was invented during the making of the Super Mario Brothers movie from 1993.