VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 113 (ft. Weta FX)
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00:00 Welcome VFX Artists React!
01:11 Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3
05:23 BetterHelp
06:56 Gemini Man
11:31 She-Hulk
15:18 Peacemaker
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She Hulk looks so plasticky and 90s CGI.. Disney wasted that TV show, no wonder it flopped
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Corridor Crew should do an episode where they digitally replace themselves in the whole episode just to see if they can do it well enough no one notices.
Who is to say they haven't already?
just swap their heads in deep fake.
that would be so much work to look realistic...
No. They replace one person. At a time. And it changes which one it is throughout the show.
Given that all their projects look subpar because they do it in a week, I doubt it. It would need to be a Corridor Digital video, but that wouldn't fly because that wouldn't be a "buzz catching" video.
To be fair I think Jordan’s John Cena joke was extremely well placed 😂
Could you please explain the joke?
I thought it was a play on words as poor/pore sound alike, but im too dumb to get it 😢
Edit: just saw what you were referring to, sorry -_-
"I give that joke a C-plus." No, I give that joke a Ce-Na!
And more importantly: it was mandatory
great bingchiling moment.
I think we just discovered Jordan’s burner account. 😂
The complete CGI shot of Smith on the motorcycle brandishing the pistol was the single most convincing live-action-replacement shot I’ve ever seen. It makes Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One look like video game NPCs.
WETA engineers are geniuses. The pore, melanin, and eye techniques are all game-changers. Incredible.
I agree, but bear in mind that this film is almost 4 years old, so the technology will be even more advanced now!
They DID look like high quality video game NPCs.
Agree with everything you said. Just think though what other shots you've seen and had no idea it was a CG character. Maybe you've seen better and didn't notice. That is what the artists are aiming for no?
@Darryl Giors Yes. Ive seen films that seemingly had no CGI, then discovered they had lots. The effects where invisible and completely seamless.
It was definitely the "most" convincing, but personally I could still tell it was CGI. He moves too easily for that position, the muscles aren't giving the same details. The heada/shoulders in relation to the arms also seem a bit off. These may just be subconscious notices but it's there.
Definitely very, *very* impressive though. They did great!
That Will Smith close up on the bike is INSANE. You can not tell it was CG. Hats of to Weta
Besides the ridiculously high frame rate and obvious uncanny valley issue, Gemini Man tripped up because literally everyone knows what young Will looked like. They had to go back to Season 1 of Fresh Prince.
Frame rates over 30 fps sends EVERYTHING into either uncanny valley or the "soap opera" look.
I remember seeing The Hobbit in a movie theatre (ok, it was the sequel) and it just looked like a bunch of guys running around in the woods playing wizard.
Bet your lying
@Dhakadice That's because it didn't have the LoTR budget to properly build the props and hire a bunch of extras. Also, too many stupid videogame elements.
I had the same problem with a movie called Noble House. It starred a younger Pierce Brosnan aged up with makeup and gray hair to look like an older version of himself. But it doesn’t match how he actually has aged, as seen in his many films.
It will always be so incredible to me how science-y vfx are. They almost need a human science/biology degree to be good at their job. When they talk about the muscles and melanin and eye structure it takes me back to my anatomy and physiology classes.
If you want to make something look like real life, you gotta know how real life works.
I just learned things about melanin and eye structure. :p
The main takeaway from this video should be how Weta learns anatomy to make CG characters look real
yet they fail, Will Smith looks like an game cut scene character and eagle look like a stock cgi eagle with some bad acting from John Cena who's not even looking at it when they are close in the garage
it should be about how badly Marvel treats their VFX artists.
Well yeah, even as a 2D artist you need to learn anatomy, this is not something new lol. Takeaway should be more that they need time and tolerance to reach stuff like this, two things that big companies are giving less and less of.
@Osama-KIN_TMZ01 I know way too many people who try to draw and have zero knowledge of anatomy. My comment wasn't for me, it was for people who want to be an artist who see my comment.
@Kyle Carter And I know way too many people who try to model and have zero knowledge of anatomy. Obviously, I wasn't talking about you, I was saying that it is not something to boast about as it is the bare minimum you should be learning in most artistic mediums, anatomy I mean, same with learning perspective. I'm talking in the professional setting, but you can never be called a true visual artist if you don't understand the real thing.
Peacemaker was a really damn good show, and Eagly was super well done!
Also I never skipped intro.
Dude john cena was well done more ! We actually got to see him. Props to weta
*The eagle looked fake.* They keep doing its movements in slow motion. Compare that to the eagle that slapped Wren which is moving naturally fast.
The more i watch vfx artist react the more i realize that the best artists understand human anatomy to the level of a doctor.
Props to Griffin for his awesome work on thumbnails. Very underrated and underappreciated part of the team! 👍
Those eyes in She-Hulk are incredible. Bringing depth and presence to the eyes has been such a challenge. Guy and the Wētā FX team have done wonders!
all that work for a dumpster fire of a show. we often forget they still work hard in the background, regardless of the final result.
@Krule Worldit was a good show. Yall were crying that the cgi was bad. Now that profcinals tell you its good you just move your goal post
@theendofitthey just glazing the dude cuz he worked on it obv don’t be naive
@theendofit cgi was never the issue. it was the bad writing. Hulk lost everyone he loved is equal to she-hulk got a cat call...
@theendofit The show was utter garbage.
That Will Smith head replacement (current, not the aged down one) was insane. I've never seen a digital face look that good.
I agree, and this film is almost 4 years old, so the technology is even more advanced now.
While Weta's approach to realism is often more science than art, the talent and skill of the artists are the only way that approach could even work. Their models could literally be used for medical research purposes in some cases, and the level of detail and knowledge each artist utilizes is so vast and in-depth, they could almost be experts in the scientific fields of study of the real-life subjects they're tasked with recreating. I'm constantly amazed by the work they do, and it's awesome to see and hear them talk about their craft. Great episode.
Just like they said in the previous episode, these guys are scientists
Like, immediately naming off the terminology for the bird's anatomy. That shit's nuts!
Don't forget though that behind every cutting-edge modelling, texturing, and rendering technique, there are a bunch of programmers coming up with the algorithms and making sure they run as smoothly and quickly as possible. _They_ are the unsung heroes IMO. I was really excited when they had Paul Debevec on the couch the other week - a proper hero of mine he is.
They probably just google “what are feathers made out of” and then just do a little bit of research but the scientists still do the science work.
There was an episode of the "Farscape" TV series that opened on a closeup of a pair of eyes, and you could feel the grief and sorrow radiating from them (a major character had died at the end of the previous episode). Then the camera pulled back, revealing that it was Rygel, one of the puppets created by The Jim Henson Company. They got more emotion from a puppet than a lot of human actors can manage.
The animatronics in that show were amazing. As was the show itself. Very underrated too, it's hardly ever mentioned in any of the sci-fi rundowns.
Farscape is one of the best sci-fi shows ever made. You could feel the love that was put into every character. I really wish I could one day watch a remake movie directed by James Gunn. He already said he was inspired by Farscape to make GotG.
@Bruno Bertoline Sorbo was on Tim Pool last week talking about Farscape so this is super relevant lol
I love when someone talks with so much love for what he/she does and Guy Williams gives that vibe. One might think it's just an explanation but it's their art
The tongue flapping around when the eagle rides in a car with the window rolled down like a dog is what sells that shot and I absolutely love it
I could listen to about 10 more minutes of talk on how skin pigmentation and pores work. Fascinating stuff. Also, the pun game was so strong in this episode. I'm proud of y'all.
Yeah, the eagle in Pacemaker is amazing but Mathew the raven in the Sandman just blew my mind, so well done that you don't even think about when you're watching the show. I'd like to here your opinion and how it was done.
I always can't get over how good Rocket's CG is each film & the fact that it keeps looking better. They deserve all the praise.
the editing in this episode, especially with the eye explaination, was flawless, good job
This is my favourite episode so far, Guy's in-depth knowledge of these super advanced topics is fascinating
You guys should definitely check out episode 11, season 2 of Legion. 2 of the most powerful telepaths battling with crazy visuals! Its pretty hard to show telepathic abilities on screen without it looking weird but this is just a creative showpiece of storytelling.
Hey! You and I must be the only fans of that show. That wasn’t really a cgi extravaganza, but it was interesting. Shame that show didn’t work out as well as I’d hoped, but at least they tried something unique. First season is amazing. Kinda feel apart a bit later on, but I’m a huge fan. ❤
I guess that's why some scenes in Gemini man looked super uncanny valley, but others were spot on. I'll take a gander that the spot-on ones were done by WETA. That tech he's describing with the pores and the colors shifting of the sub-surface is really mind blowing. The eyes stuff too... no more faking it with textures they really just built an entire eye. WOW.
some of the issues in that movie visually had a lot to do with the decision to use 120fps. watching it at 60fps it makes the movements look too rapid and makes the CGI stand out way too much especially during the chase scene.
So nice to see that they've grown so much in this show, they been receiving these iconic guests on the show, we're so proud of yall
It's awesome to see the bts of awesome CGI, but I think it would be interesting to have the guests telling about their bad CGI/VFX, to see what happened and what went wrong
I could imagine it would be bad business for the guest if they criticise stuff openly
@Nikolaj Jensen Sure, but it could be about old stuff, or low-budget stuff, and it could be nice to see good stuff too (the show is literally titled "reacts to Bad and Great CGI" after all)
Like Gemini Man maybe?... That movie looked rough.
It's rare but it has happened.
The Mummy scene with the Rock as the scorpion king comes to mind in which the guest said that the Rock was in a different project at the time so they couldn't get any reference and such, so they just had to make do with what they had in the time they had.
Y'know with the unerring feed of negativity through the Internet, I like seeing good work. It's good being away from the "haha that was so bad" part of ESclips for the most part. This is a nice ratio of good and bad on this channel.
Jordan's crushing it. I hope he never "outgrows" Corridor and only helps the whole team elevate; he's a treasure.
I always love hearing the background to some of these super high level VFX shots.
Especially when it's like, "Hey this shot looks so good, how'd you get it to look so real?"
And their response is just "Oh yeah that, it's because we physically simulated it with 100% scientific accuracy."
The level of detailed knowledge this dude has on human and avian anatomy is crazy considering he's a visual effect artist 😂
I FREAKING LOVE YOU GUYS! ❤ WATCHED SYNC FOR THE FIRST TIME. HAD A CHAT WITH THE MAIN LEAD AND I AM ALL PRAISE! IT WAS AN AMAZING MOVIE 👏👏👏 BRAVO
Not sure if this has been covered yet but I’d love to see you look at Ang Lee’s Hulk! Specifically the scene where Nick Nolte’s hand morphs with the blue steel, but anything from that movie would be cool :)
you guys could easily do multiple episodes on just Scott Pilgrim vs the World. It has VFX, animation, stunts, fights, everything.
Terrible movie but agreed, has some nice stuff in it
@Elias6233 how is it a terrible movie? It's one of the best from the early 2010s
God yes, a fantastic movie!! Please do an episode on Scott Pilgrim
That movie blows tho. Just because it had a few video game references doesn't make it good.
Just watched Black Narcissus (1947), and was amazed at how well a London backlot was seamlessly transformed into the movie's setting on top of a Himalayan mountain. Gorgeous effects that hold up today, IMO. Would love to see the Corridor Crew discuss it.
The eagle looks amazing. Such a shame that they didn't get Cena's eyeline right. He's staring right through that eagle.
I hope they do one on Smallville just to see how far we came on visual effects on TV shows
would be cool if it was a superman and lois and smallville double episode to truly show what the CW alone was able to achieve with superman within 20 years time
I remember being very impressed with the effects on Smallville, now they look like a PlayStation game.
I will say the only effects I still like (only because no other effect has done this and is the effect is still dated) are the heart vision. I love how he just shoots heat and not laser.
Always love the videos! Something I would love you guys to tackle on with the pros is the working hours of the artists in these projects. I feel thats a key element missing, lots of people getting overworked and with talks of forming a union (even if its only for the on set VFX people) I think its important to bring how sometimes people get overworked and how that is not ok. Work like balance is important, and new filmmakers should be aware you should hurt your mental and physical health for a movie.
I've been watching Carnival Row on Prime, and have been very impressed by the wide range of VFX they have in that show. Pixies and their large insect-like wings (that often wrap around people as well like the eagle wings), and so much creature VFX.
Anytime someone from Weta or ILM drops by is always incredible
And Red Chillies VFX. Those are always fun
I think it would be really interesting if you guys reacted to the Narnia. Some of those VFX were done by Weta as well. A lot of great effects in those movies, especially considering they were made 13-20 years ago. Check out the “water god” scene at the end of Narnia: Prince Caspian, plus all the CGI non-human characters - the beavers, Asian the lion, Reepicheep the mouse, the centaurs, the fawns, etc. so many great VFX
They need to compare the narnia movies to the old BBC versions in visual effects.
Is it just me or is it no longer "bad and great" CGI the majority of the time now? Seems like it's a rarity to feature bad VFX these days.
Would be great to see a dive into Ahsoka. It seems to use a good variety of fx and that locked-on-the-Volume feel that happens sometimes is absent.
The amount of detail we have CGI wise in tv shows now is amazing
Jordan coming again with a "that way you could Seymour Hoffman" 😂😂
Even if Jordan is not on the couch he should just pop up randomly to drop these icebreaker bombs to make the guests laugh 😆
That pore effect was unreal. Definitely worth a video.
The “Poor Man approach” line was also unreal
I believe they took the "Pore Man's" approach
I think it was Houdini
There are videos about the research paper
this is far more impressive than the current deepfake technique. this is complete face creation from the ground up, so major kudos to weta.
Would definitely love to see you guys cover some of the space battles from The Expanse tv series! Really well done, realistically.
I love Wren's innocence and Jordan's Dad jokes in this. I never usually laugh that hard on these if at all.
I’d love to see the crew react to the Compys (small dinos) from The Lost World: Jurassic Park and the how they flawlessly transition to puppets
The bit about the melanin density being affected by the stretching, and contributing to how the skin looks like, is just a level of attention to minuscule detail that only people at the very forefront of vfx could even begin to think about. WETA, Guy Williams, a salute going your way!
Please do a special video about the evolution of special effects and the milestones that were achieved between 1985 and today and what movies they were achieved in, like first cloth simulation, first ray-tracing, first HDRI lighting, first motion capture performance, first realistic water simulation, first realistic physics simulation etc.
Honestly I think the ILM documentary "Light and Magic" is a good resource.
@CheesySombrero
I don't want to hear it from ILM though, I want to hear it from them.
They do, every week, It's called VFX artists react
While I like this idea, I feel that concept is better served in a video essay, which corridor crew doesn't seem to do
@Brian Um no, what OP described is not what they do for VFX artists react.
love jordan on this series! everybody has such good insight, cool hearing all the different angles
Love when you guys bring on incredible guests like this
It's always a special episode when you get someone from Weta on the couch!
Absolutely loved the peek into the pore workflow and tech. Having spent a LOT of time making characters for games this is exactly the kind of thing that gets me excited. The way the skin tone shifts with movement, pore stretching/skin creasing and even with all that, I can immediately tell it's a CG face. But, it's soo good. We are getting closer and closer to CG being indistinguishable from reality, the problem is our eyes/mind are trained to notice some incredibly subtle things about faces and how they animate, many of which we don't even realize until someone points it out.
And the eyes.... The bane of every 3d artist trying to make realistic looking characters in a real time medium.....
Awesome video as always!
Had the privilege of working at Weta way back during the LOTR days, and know Guy from back then. Even then, the rigging and rendering were top notch, and it's only gotten better since. The amount of thought and attention to the tiny details is amazing. I gotta say, though - we did a camera pull through an open wound at Valve in Meet The Pyro, way back in 2012.
Jordan, never be embarassed about puns. Keep them coming.
I dont understand the pun...
That was the moment that earned my like on the video. :)
@ZeroPrimeSigma they were talking about pore-stretching and he said the solution was a "poor man's version." Think "poor" vs. "pore."
Or were you talking about the Cena joke? That one wasn't a pun.
@rome8180 ohh ok. ye that was the one. Ty
Absolutely. Pore them I’m
I’d love to see a breakdown of the creepy shots from Under the Skin
You mean the entire movie?
Idk if yall have covered it yet but yall should look at the visuals of the fall staring Lee Pace. I'd love to see a video breaking down the amazing visuals in this movie
I recently watched all 3 live-action Full Metal Alchemist films, and often found myself wondering if Alphonse in difference scenes were a digi-double, or an actor in a real suit. I think it would be neat to have VAR episode trying to break down the effects from those films.
YES!! I am so happy they looked at Eagley, he looks so good in the show it's crazy. Great show too.
Sponsor Segment: I like the idea of rotating through all members of Corridor for the sponsor segments. Seeing Griffin deliver this episode’s sponsor segment kept my attention because I hardly ever see him.
Please take a look at the special effects used in the Norwegian movies "Dead Snow" and "Dead Snow 2", since they managed to get really good effects from a budget that would be comparable to just _talking_ to a special effects team in the US 🙂
I saw how Peacemaker pet his eagle and watched through it's head and I am eager to see movies with a really great interaction between real actors and cgi. That's a suggestion for next episodes 👀
The amount of detail and knowledge that goes into this craft is just….. insane.
This really emphasizes the difference between something like weta and corridor. Pioneers and students. People who know the value of the human input, and those that think AI animation serves as a good-enough replacement for it.
What a fantastic guest, thank you Guy!
Corridor gets more high profile artist than any other media source!!!! It’s insane
When I saw gotg vol.3 I was super excited to see you guys cover that hallway fight scene super glad you guys finally took a look at it
Would love to see an episode on Hardcore Henry. It focuses on a 1st person camera angle throughout most of the movie along with some interesting effects and cuts.
I’d love to see y’all talk about the water waking scene in Season 3 of The Chosen! The released a video on what went into making that scene, and it was an awesome watch for me!
I just love when Jordan puns 😂😂. Never stop, man!
love the guy guy, great guest amazing guest for this show, great explanations and tidbits of info
Jordan was absolutely on fire this episode! 😂
Would love to see you guys look at more Korean movies, some of which showcase Hollywood level VFX at a fraction of the budget. Some suggestions:
1. Taegukgi: The Brotherhood of War
2. Along with the Gods Pt 1 and 2
3. Ashfall
4. Psychokinesis
5. Peninsula
6. Jung_E
This episode was so much fun!!
I’d love to see you guys take a look at Extraction 2! There were some really great moment in that one
An episode on The X-Files would be amazing. Or at the least, looking at the hallway crossover scene from its episode Triangle.
Great video as always!
I'd love to see some reactions to some of the space battles that took place in the Expanse. They use realistic physics as the base and have a very distinct style and strategy for how the battles take place.
I’d love to see an episode focusing on The Princess Bride and all the special effects in it. The cliff climb comes into mind
That's not vfx.
@Thomas Becker Not VFX? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
@Bannon Rudis You're telling me that The Princess Bride cliff scene, in 1987, used VFX? It was all in-camera. A fake cliff wall for close-ups, using a winch to lift the cast, and wide angles against the real cliff face in Ireland.
The fact y’all didn’t cover the final battle weta did work on in rise of the beasts is crazy, that was one of the best VFX fights of this year
Thank you guys for yet another wonderful episode! Can you please do Hollow Man from 2000, please?
The Spider from the movie Krull scared me pantless when I was small. I would love to see you guys take a look at it, and other effects from the movie if you want. The spider is by far (in my memory) the most impactful one though.
Shootout to Griffin for being open about taking steps towards recognizing he needed someone to talk to while going through a rough spot in life…big dub
I’d love you to do a feature on the Reapers from Blade 2. Almost all those shots still hold up. Theres one where a Reaper licks it’s lips/maw after feeding and it looks flawless, even now!
Thanks Jordan for the genuine belly laughs :D
And what a guest! woah!
Its insane how this series just keeps getting better.
I thought that the FX work in Guardians 3 was possibly the best I've ever seen, Oscar worthy stuff.
Your are one of a few channels I must watch in FULL SCREEN mode. Love the eye candy!
If you're looking for more "old" VFX I recommend "Abbot and Costello Meet the Invisible Man". Some mind bogglingly great VFX shots considering it was 1951.
I think it would be interesting if you would review the effects of the Indiana Jones movies.
I’d love an episode (or a bunch) focused on title and credit sequences. That can also dip into motion graphic design, but I think there is some good overlap with VFX, Animators, and Motion Designers that would be super interesting.
Also maybe a sound designers react.
Would love to hear you analyze older movies like: Thing to come (1936) and Metropolis (1927)
Well said, sticking up for the actual artists.
When I got around to watching She Hulk I couldn't fathom why I had heard so many complaints about the effects. To my eye everything was pretty damn convincing. Can't escape the feeling that yes, you're expecting CG so you're looking for the tiny flaws. At the end of the day everything was up to big budget movie levels for a TV show.
Pretty fun show to boot. Had fun watching it.
i think the biggest issue with she hulk was the decision to go the typical movie/tv bs "we need to make her look sexy as the hulk".. if she portrayed "hulk" closer to the actual character i think less people would of had an issue with it. she's suppose to be a bada... but instead she just looks like a green alien that reminds me a lot of the Martian Girl from Mars Attacks!. it was just poor decission making by production and the CGI team did their best to work with it.
I think part of it is the lighting. The models look great. The movement is fine. The lighting is just off in most scenes, making them look like they aren't really there.
@sirmonkeyno she shouldn’t look buff and muscular. Check the comics man.
Speaking of eyeball construction, that final action during the climax of The Suicide Squad was pretty full-on!
one of the coolest episodes yet. these artists are grazy good problem solvers.
I think you guys should do a combined stuntmen and VTX react video for Stephen Chow movies, like Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle!
I was waiting for them to ask him how it felt to work weeks on the she hulk twerking scene and for the light to leave his eyes after all the passionate discussion of better shows
I love the small initial recap in the episode.. keep it in!
Do an episode on the sound of fights! I’m rewatching “The Batman” and the punches sound so real. They have that flesh sound on fabric, or rubber, or metal. Could be the best sound editing for a fight I’ve ever heard. I know you’d talked about the sound of punches in the past, and the Batman is so good.
I started watching the Nolan Batman series again, and their sound effects are so much worse. The punches sound fake, like a cartoon. Even Dark Knight Rises, sounds pretty bad. What's up with that?